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X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.01.29 15:46:00 -
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inb4 Medal +High 5 > Medal alone. +1 CCP. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:44:00 -
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S810 Jr wrote:Best Damar Day present EVER! Damar Day!
Best proof yet CCP is on our side.
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X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:50:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
That is my point. You wouldn't need to chase them.
The smart militia will then spread out (7 pvp active pilots minimum is all it would take to be within about 3 jumps of any system) and someone who is close to that new system would kick them out. No chasing.
They could keep going but eventually they would realize that if they wanted to capture a plex they would need to fight for it.
You can do that now. Find 6 friends and have at it. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.01.30 20:09:00 -
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greg01 wrote:You held 100% control for LESS THAN 24HRS. That's not a win, that's a joke. No, that's a win. Scoreboard. Caldari: 1 Medal, Gallente: 1 Medal + a high five.
We win the tiebreaker. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.01.30 20:22:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:This is the problem these days as there is very little to challenge for higher skill point players because there is very little to out side of ganking noobs. It very easy to go gank noobs but it's very rare to find people that will bring a real fight when they don't have a clear advantage. Exactly. There's this guy Mutnin I sometimes see around. Dude hardly ever engages against the odds (only once have I seen him engage in anything considered a "fair" fight). Usually he's safed up hidden off grid waiting for the perfect engagement.
I'd say he's a typical squid, but there's plenty of them around who actually take on fights just as there are plenty of Gallente FW players who do the same.
I find the whiners on the forums who complain about lack of fights, boosters, fairness, etc... sit safed up 95% of the time looking to gank noobs themselves.
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X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.01.30 20:29:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Oh yeah, when Caldari only had to really plex for about 3 hours after downtime, no-one else could participate meaningfully, and gallente couldn't lock anything due to the rats. This is a complete lie. The Caldari could clear out the plexes in a system in less than an hour after downtime.
That said, it took quite a bit of effort on their part to capture all the systems, and PERVS dominated almost every plex fight they engaged in (which was one reason many EUTZ Gallente FW players weren't "interested"), and we did capitulate half way through. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.01.30 20:35:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Colt Blackhawk wrote: Translation: We don-Št like amarr and caldari so they won-Št get one if they capture all systems. But minmatar and gallente will get one :P
Except caldari already got a medal? Well, CCP doesn't like the 22nd. So the real score is
Hidden Snake 0, Gallente 1 (+ high five) |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.01.30 21:40:00 -
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Man it seems like Mutnin is the only pilot who is not risk averse! Props to you man. You're braver than the rest of us. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.01.30 21:41:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Only if he washes his hands before the high5. :) Yeah good point. Gonna have to rethink that a bit. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.01.31 22:37:00 -
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Bloodbird is no alt. |
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X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.01.31 22:49:00 -
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chatgris wrote:At the very least, this medal represents a "we kicked your asses out of FW space, even your home systems could not hold" pvp achievement. THIS. And we get a high five too! But whether or not Fozzie washes his hands before giving them out is still a question. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:36:00 -
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Killboards don't lie. Number of kills by FW pilots are rising every month.
Must suck to be a FW naysayer these days. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.02.04 04:07:00 -
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Cearain wrote:This medal was award for fw sov gains. It has nothing to do with kills. No, it has to do with dominating systems. When one side dominates a system, the other side decides to "find other, more interesting things to do in Eve".
Most of the systems are won by dominance. If there is doubt as to who can dominate, then there are fights. If there is no doubt, then there are no fights and people like you will say that occupancy warfare is a pve mechanic.
I'll give you a perfect example. Bloody Ronin Syndicate loved pwn'ing noobs in OMS but when it came time to defend their system, they couldn't due to overwhelming force brought to bear on them by the Gallente. So, they docked up and moved their stuff out.
So, not many fights determined the fate of OMS, just dominance of one side over the other. And that was pretty much what happened throughout the FW theater from November and on.
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X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.02.04 10:13:00 -
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Cearain wrote: If a side does not want to do this then you are right they pack up their stuff and move. If gallente or any faction gets it in their head that they want to have alts orbiting buttons incessantly they will win the sov war.
Proven false. Caldari were achieving 73k VP/day this past year and they failed to win the sov war. Continue with your whines.
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X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.02.04 23:04:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Continue with your cheerleading. As long as kills and fights are up in low sec, I AM HAPPY! Plex warfare is one significant reason why there are more fights. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.02.18 17:01:00 -
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Cearain wrote:It shows how the sov war is won under the mechanics in effect when gallente got a medal. Actually it doesn't. You're posting "facts" that are 2 months late and don't reflect the "boots on the ground" when we took the systems. Carry on.
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X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.02.18 17:15:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Are the mechanics the same or not? The mechanics are the same. The effort involved by those who took all the systems is not. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.02.18 17:53:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Please provide some facts to support this. In the meantime same exact mechanics will likely mean the same exact winning strategy. I think it's up to you to prove it since it's your assertion that alt plexers won the Occupancy War.
In any case, can any Gallente militia member really say that Heydieles was taken by afk PVE alt plexers?
Can any Caldari claim that Hykanima, Kinakka, Eha, Enaluri, Rakapas, Okkamon, Old Man Star, Fliet, Ladistier, Eugales, Moclinimaud, Frarie, were taken with afk plexing alts? (There's probably a few more systems I could add btw)
Nope. Why? Because afk alt plexing as a system capture strategy only works in unpopulated systems where the other side chooses to not spend effort defending. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.02.18 18:49:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote: whos cursing whoevers winning? we are actually relishing the fact that we now have an opposistion and everyones kills are up and are rising month after month since this iteration.
It's kind of ridiculous. Low sec in general is pvp heaven right now. February isn't known to be a great month, but we're (JUSTK) on pace to smash our previous record (last month) in less than 28 days. Other FW corps I track (QCATS, we're about 100+ kills behind them, dammit!) are the same. |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.02.18 19:26:00 -
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Cearain wrote:In order to get the medal you had to take about 10xs that number of systems. Also the amount of alts defensive plexing the home systems you list is likely as high as anywhere.
In order to get that medal, we had to take out ALL of the low sec homes systems of the Caldari.
Quote: So you think it was so much different for the gallente to capture systems a month ago even though it was the exact same mechanics.
It's exactly the same. The Caldari will have to take out ALL of the Gallente home systems to get their medal. Bring it on.
Quote: Yes right no gallente used these winning techniques only caldari and amarr use them. Right. Ignoring reasonable inferences from the data seems to be your forte.
We purposefully propped up the Tier Level in order for the farmers to take all the useless backwater systems and it worked.
Quote: But just so that I know your position.
Lets say we go back and look at the top vp gainers for several of the days when gallente was winning the sov war. Do you think the number of kills for those players, on the days they were the top vp winners, will be much different?
Just so you understand my position: No farming alt has ever been responsible for capturing a militia home system.
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X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:24:00 -
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Cearain wrote: Ok so I take it you agree that there is no reason to think the daily vp gainers were any different a month or 2 ago.
Would you agree alts hold the home systems? Unless a militia decides to bring a blob and lock down a system until its flipped anything you do will just be undone by an alt dplexing.
Yes, and no notification system will "solve" this issue. You know what your target system is. Go kill the alts and take it.
Quote: Caldari already got a medal. If they want to get another medal even though its plain how the sov war is won, god bless them.
God bless the Amarr, not the Caldari.
Quote: And yes, you keep repeating that letting players know when plexes are attacked, will not help them to defend them. It is very silly of you, but you have said it often enough that a few other flunkies are repeating it too.
You should be proud, your resistance to facts and reason has helped shape fw to what it is today.
You know where the farmers are. They're everywhere the pvp guys aren't. Go to them and kick them out yourself. If you aren't willing to do it, then why should you expect anybody else to?
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X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:09:00 -
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Cearain wrote:No I do not know where they all are nor do you. They are not everywhere. On average I will go through 2-3 systems before I will find an enemy running a plex. Moreover in larger systems I have to warp around to find which plex they are in.
You just found your farmers. Have at it.
Really, are we talking about you not wanting to spend a couple minutes scouting for farmers? Is that it? All this talk about 'pvp mechanic' because you're too lazy to roam around low sec for 4 minutes, and you can't be arse'd to point your ship in a certain direction and hit the scan button?
Edit: I mean, really??!! Conquest of an entire region is null and void because the Caldari had to jump 2-3 systems to look for an afk plexing alt and then had to.. GOD FORBID!!! (sorry, Amarr)... hit the scan button??!! |
X Gallentius
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:28:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
No we are talking about making the pvpers easilly 4xs as efficeint in fighting for plexes.
Its not just finding them originally thats the issue. Its keeping track of where they are going after they leave the plex that is a pia. The notification would accomplish this so the pvpers could run plexes and chase out alts as needed. The pvpers could actually close plexes instead of constantly roaming around looking for alts to kill.
You may have the time to keep chasing them but in the current mechanics most people agree its a waste of time.
You mean you're too lazy to track them down and keep harrassing them? Really?
(timer rollback, a good idea, in addition to you actually roaming about looking for and then griefing the alts, accomplishes what you want)
And since when does pvp involve closing plexes when there is no fight? According to you that's PvE, right?
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